kein Zwangsdienst, aber für viele die einzige Chance auf ein festes Gehalt auf legalem weg.Zitat von Dude
Und somit doch wieder ein Zwang.
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kein Zwangsdienst, aber für viele die einzige Chance auf ein festes Gehalt auf legalem weg.
Und somit doch wieder ein Zwang.
Nein, sie können ein festes Gehalt sich auch anders erarbeiten. Jeder geht freiwillig.
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ach wieder so ein usa experte der seine weisheit von irgendwelchen hetzblaetters hat.
ach du meinst wohl das bestimmte typen im military sind so wie lauter arme farmer und so und das die dan solche briefe nach hause schicken:.
Farmer Joins the Military
Dear Ma and Pa:
Am well. Hope you are.
Tell Brother Walt and Brother Elmer the Army beats working for Old Man Minch by a mile.
Tell them to join up quick before maybe all the places are filled. I was restless at first because you got to stay in bed till nearly 6 am, but am getting so I like to sleep late.
Tell Walt and Elmer all you do before breakfast is smooth your cot and shine some things -- no hogs to slop, feed to pitch, mash to mix, wood to split, fire to lay. Practically nothing.
Men got to shave, but it is not bad, they git warm water. Breakfast is strong on trimmings like fruit juice, cereal, eggs, bacon, etc., but kind of weak on chops, potatoes, beef, ham, steak, fried eggplant, pie and regular food. But tell Walt and Elmer you can always sit between two city boys that live on coffee. Their food, plus yours, holds you till noon, when you get fed again. It's no wonder these city boys can't walk much.
We go on "route marches," which, the Sgt. says, are long walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it is not my place to tell him different. A "route march" is about as far as to our mailbox at home. Then the city guys all get sore feet and we ride back in trucks.
The country is nice, but awful flat.
The Sgt. is like a school teacher. He nags some.
The Capt. is like the school board.
Colonels and Generals just ride around and frown. They don't bother you none.
This next will kill Walt and Elmer with laughing. I keep gettin medals for shootin. I don't know why. The bull's-eye is pertnear as big as a chipmunk and don't move none. And it ain't shooting at you, like them Higgett boys at home. All you got to do is lay there all comfortable and hit it. You don't even load your own cartridges. They come in boxes.
Be sure to tell Walt and Elmer to hurry and join before other fellows get onto this setup and come stampeding in.
Your loving daughter, Gail
:rolleyes:
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viele? wieviele den bitte. du gibst dich doch hier als roter experte aus.
sicher kanst du perfekt english wen du doch so ein grosser experte bist.
ich hatte vor einiger zeit mal hier eine statistik reingemacht die dasselbe aussagte wie der article unten.
es ist immer wieder interessant wie deutsche als usa experten ihre luegen und behauptungen kaltbluetig hier reinstellen. hauptsache man kan hetzen und am besten ueber die usa.
hier les mal du fake. :rolleyes:
Military Misconceptions
David L. Englin
October 22, 2004
With the candidates sniping at each other over the draft, is it time to re-examine our ideas about who joins the military and why? Most liberals hold firmly to the belief that the majority of people enlisting in the armed forces are doing so because they have few viable job or education options. This idea that it is America’s poor and minority citizens who overwhelmingly become the “cannon fodder” for politicians’ war animates much anti-war sentiment. If liberals and Democrats want to govern, they need to look beyond the popular rhetoric and understand who makes up our armed forces. And why.
David L. Englin is an Air Force veteran from Alexandria, Va. His other writings can be found at his blog, Ripple of Hope.
As Rep. John Conyers and filmmaker Michael Moore reminded me recently, many on the left still think the military is where poor, uneducated minorities go for lack of other options. During the recent, tragically brief flurry of discussion about the bill offered by Conyers and Rep. Charles Rangel, D-NY, to reinstate the draft, Conyers proclaimed that today’s military amounts to “an indirect draft of minorities and the poor.” In Fahrenheit 9/11 , Michael Moore presented viewers with a pair of Marine Corps recruiters zealously targeting African-American high school students in an economically struggling community. These are but two manifestations of a liberal zeitgeist about military service that is out of touch with the reality of today’s force.
Until recently, I had been associated with the U.S. military for my entire life, from my birth and childhood on U.S. military bases overseas, to my cadet years at the U.S. Air Force Academy, and through eight years of service as a commissioned officer. But thanks to my own liberalism, marrying a liberal activist, and the Air Force sending me to an elite liberal graduate school, I spent my time in uniform straddling two worlds: the military officer corps and liberal intelligentsia. Now that our nation is suddenly embroiled in an election-year showdown over which candidate might reinstate the draft, I am more concerned than ever that many of my fellow liberals cling to Vietnam-era misconceptions about the makeup of the military. Liberal concerns about the draft and military demographics stem mostly from a laudable sense of justice about who pays the price when America goes to war. While that moral impulse is correct, Democrats need to get a better handle on the facts if we expect to bring a credible promise of hope to military men and women suffering under the Bush administration’s mismanagement.
Despite the widely held—and voiced—misconceptions about the military, the most recent Department of Defense population study paints an ethnic picture of new recruits and officers that looks fairly similar to the civilian population. In the enlisted force (versus the officer corps) African Americans make up 16 percent of new recruits, compared to 14 percent of civilians of comparable age (between 18 and 24 years old.) Hispanics make up 11 percent of new recruits, compared to 16 percent of comparable civilians. “Other” minority categories make up 6 percent of new recruits, compared to 5 percent of comparable civilians.
Commissioned officers are required to have college degrees. Many on the left might be surprised to learn that, at 8 percent, the proportion of African-American commissioned officers is exactly the same as the proportion of African Americans in the civilian workforce aged 21 to 49 with college degrees. Hispanics make up 4 percent of commissioned officers, compared to 5 percent of comparable civilians. “Other” minority categories make up 5 percent of commissioned officers, compared to 8 percent of comparable civilians.
Looking beyond officers and new enlistees to the total enlisted population, 10 percent are Hispanic, compared to 14 percent of the civilian workforce aged 18 to 44, but 22 percent are African American, compared to 13 percent of comparable civilians. This last figure might be the source of lingering misconceptions. While the number of African Americans who join the military is about the same as the number of African Americans in the comparable civilian population, more African Americans stay in the military longer. It could be that this is due to fewer good employment options in the civilian world. However, studies have shown that the military is better racially integrated than any other segment of American society. Therefore, it is just as likely that African Americans stay in the military because it is a rare slice of America where merit matters more than race and where Americans of all ethnic backgrounds are treated fairly.
If we are concerned about who bears the scars of war, we also need to look at who serves in risky combat specialties. Even with a higher proportion of African Americans in the enlisted ranks, it turns out that only about 12 percent of African American enlistees serve in direct combat specialties, compared to about 18 percent of white and Hispanic enlistees. Conversely, only about 12 percent of white enlistees serve in less-risky functional support and administrative specialties, compared to about 27 percent of African-American and 18 percent of Hispanic enlistees.
The military does not track the family incomes of new enlistees, so it is difficult to know whether the people joining the military are indeed poor. However, the military does keep detailed statistics on the levels of education new recruits achieved before joining the service, and we know that a person with less education is more likely to be poor. The National Center for Children in Poverty found that 81 percent of children whose parents have no high school diploma live in low-income families, and that as education increases, the likelihood of poverty decreases. Far from being the dregs of America’s schools, new enlistees actually come into the service much better educated than their civilian compatriots. Among new active-duty enlistees, 92 percent had a high school diploma or equivalent before enlisting, compared to 79 percent of comparable civilians. In the Reserve, the figure is 87 percent. Among officers, 95 percent had at least a bachelor’s degree before being commissioned, and more than a quarter of all officers have advanced degrees (although the majority of advanced degrees were earned while in uniform.) Additionally, before enlisting, new recruits on average scored higher on standardized tests and read at a higher grade level than their civilian counterparts. Obviously, new recruits are not uneducated compared to their peers, and given the link between education and income, it is clear that the vast majority of them are not poor.
Anecdotally, most military men and women come from solidly middle-class backgrounds, but today’s military is by no means a direct representation of the American population. Women account for just 17 percent of the military, and a disproportionately high number of new recruits come from the South, whereas a disproportionately low number come from the Northeast. However, it is clear that the Vietnam-era image held by many liberals of a military that serves up poor, uneducated, ethnic minorities as cannon fodder bears no resemblance to today’s force.
As the Bush administration ambles down a foreign policy road that could eventually lead to the enormous appetite for troops that only a draft could provide, Democrats like Conyers and Rangel are right to want an honest national discussion about who pays the price when America goes to war. The war in Iraq is stretching our military—especially the National Guard and Reserve—to the breaking point, and any long-term solution must include an increase in the size of the force. The discussion ought to include a thoughtful examination of the draft, and it was a sad abdication of leadership for Republicans in Congress to ignore that for months, only to shut down the issue with great fanfare to score campaign points for the president. If we want to save our overstretched forces and fill the void in leadership left by those on the right, Democrats will need to move beyond long-held misconceptions about the face of America’s military.
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eben ... und das argument das die army jeden nimmt zieht auch nicht weil JEDER vorher den ASVAB ueber sich ergehen lassen muss :rolleyes:
Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army , an enslaved press , and a disarmed populace ... James Madison
Its criminal to teach a man NOT to defend himself when he is the victim of brutal attacks , it is legal and lawful to own a shotgun or a rifle , we believe in obeying the law !! ..... Malcolm X
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demnach waehre jede form von legaler arbeit ein zwangsdienst ... weil es ja die einzige chane ist auf legalen wege geld zu machen :rolleyes:
Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army , an enslaved press , and a disarmed populace ... James Madison
Its criminal to teach a man NOT to defend himself when he is the victim of brutal attacks , it is legal and lawful to own a shotgun or a rifle , we believe in obeying the law !! ..... Malcolm X
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Anschläge im IRAK aller Orten. Verfassung nicht verabschiedet.
Der Bürgerkrieg beginnt.
Al Sadr und seine Miliz tritt gegen die eigene Schitien-Regierung an. Er wille keinen Föderalismus.
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Selbst die aufmunternden Worte vom Präservativ der USA haben die Sunniten nicht umstimmen können.
Das kann ja heiter werden !
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ja, die sunniten sind nicht mehr diejenigen die die einzigen rechte haben.
schon interessant das ganze.
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